3 to 5 years.....

April 28 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. housing market won’t recover for three to five years as mounting foreclosures hold down prices, according to mortgage-bond pioneer Lewis Ranieri.

“There’s another big leg down and the question is how long does it stay,” Ranieri, chairman of Ranieri Partners LLC, said during a panel discussion today at the Milken Institute Global Conference in Beverly Hills, California. “You can’t have much of a rally when you’ve got this big overhang.”

Home foreclosures probably will reach a record this year with more than 1 million properties seized by banks, according to data seller RealtyTrac Inc. Unemployment was 9.7 percent in March, unchanged for a third month, according to the Labor Department, and a fifth of mortgaged U.S. homes were worth less than their loans in the fourth quarter, Zillow.com reported.

‘Leave Them Alone’

Larry Mizel, chief executive officer of Denver-based homebuilder MDC Holdings Inc., said the federal government should allow homes to be foreclosed on and sold at reduced prices to new buyers.

“The best thing they can do is leave them alone,” Mizel said during the panel discussion. “We now have affordable housing. The best thing, in my view, is just let the process take care of itself.”


Buyers have no Moral Duty to lenders

As a result of the housing collapse, many Arizonans have seen their homes lose half of their value. Many owe several hundred thousand dollars more than their homes are worth and are unlikely to dig out of their negative equity hole for decades. To compound the stress and anxiety, when they've called their lender to work out a solution, they've discovered that their lender won't even talk to them about a loan modification or a short sale as long as they are current on their mortgage.

So what's next

This is the last week for the federal tax credit. You have to sign a contract by the 30th to be eligible. I can't wait to see what silliness they roll out next. I've been seeing overpriced homes that have sat on the market for ages going pending in the last week or two. Are there that many people willing to overpay in order to get a $8k credit? I'm not sure how many of those will appraise though, so the sales may not actually close.

We should start a pool on what the next bailout will be.

Gawd, I heard it again

I stopped an an open house today, I couldn't help myself. I saw the sign and it pointed to an area I am interested in so I followed the signs to a house WAY larger than anything I would ever consider. But I stopped just for the hell of it. I was greeted by a typical realtor who proceeded to tell me about the house (which was fine). Then he asked if I had an agent, and on and on. Then he let fly with the "there's never been a better time to buy". Ok, fight's on. I ask "how so?". Well the interest rates are at historic lows making payments more affordable than ever. I wasn't feeling much like arguing so I said "thank, but it was too big for me and left".

How do you feel about these low rates. The low rates are making homes more affordable than they have been in a long time. However the low rates are also helping to prop up home prices. People buy homes based on monthly payment, not total price. Most buyers will figure out what monthly payment they can afford and the current interest rate will allow them to calculate how much they can spend. Rates are currently very low compared to long term average rates. So, what happens if rates go up? People can't afford as much house. This puts pressure on prices. In a normal market demand dictates prices. If people cannot afford the payments at a higher interest rate, demand drops and prices will follow.

Assuming the monthly payment is the same, what's better, a low price with a high interest rate or a high price with a low interest rate? It should seem obvious but a lower price with a high rate is better for several reasons.

1) If rates drop you can refi. With the rates as low as they are now you can forget about a future refi to take advantage of rate drop.
2) A lower purchase price means lower property taxes. And who doesn't like lower taxes.
3) If you do buy when rates are low you face the possibility of a drop in value if rates spike. You could easily find yourself underwater, trapped in the house.

There are some other advantages of a high interest rate. A lower purchase price and a high interest rate it makes paying off the home early much more attractive. If you can pay extra towards the principal you can really cut down on the total cost of the home and pay it off early. Because much more of the monthly payment is interest the mortgage write off might be higher.

Are interest rates going to shoot up. I'm sure they are..... eventually. Personally I don't think they are going anywhere for a few years. The government will need to keep the rates low in order to keep the economy from totally tanking. Also inflation is still relatively low so there isn't much pressure to raise the rates. But 5 years from now things could be very different. So if you buy, buy something you will want to stay in for a while.

Inside deals

When you watch the market as closely as I do it does not take very long to see that there is probably more monkey business going on now than there was at the height of the bubble years.
Everything from short sale shenanigans to pocket listings to outright insider fraud. If you just look at the active listings you might not notice these deals. However, if you look at the pendings and the sales histories you will start to notice many of the sales just don't pass the smell test.

Take this one for instance, 3162 Vandermolen in Norco. It hit the market just this morning at what looks like a reasonable price. I saw it pop onto Redfin this morning and figured I would go look at it this weekend. But when I got home from work it's already pending. More than likely a pocket listing. The agent already has a buyer but has to show the bank it was actually listed. Maybe I should contact the bank???

How about this one at 1440 Valley. This was another house that hit the market for about 30 seconds and then went pending. The listing price is probably about $75k-$100k less than this house would sell for on the open market. It's a short sale so maybe the bank will get wise to the deal.

Between deals like these, flippers and clueless agents it's no wonder most buyers are finding this market a frustrating thing to deal with.